EP 7: The Data Goldmine Hidden in Payments

Rob and Donald join Alex to explore how AI could reshape the future of payments, card networks, and embedded finance. Rob argues that one of the biggest near-term wins is making embedded finance easier to deploy. Today, implementations can be difficult and involve too many touch points. The group discusses how AI agents could help by identifying integration points, automating parts of the integration work, and improving the process over time.

They also zoom out to the infrastructure level. Rob notes that many transaction processes still resemble what existed decades ago, just automated in a different form. They explore how AI could help compress transaction cycle time and enable a more meaningful leap forward in how payments actually move.
From there, Donald highlights the strategic edge networks already have: massive cross-border transaction data that reveals patterns at scale. Travel and loyalty come up as major opportunity areas, where networks could build more robust travel-related and itinerary-adjacent experiences using years of transaction insights, even if networks do not hold personal data the same way other platforms do.

Finally, the conversation tackles the line between useful and creepy. Rob shares a model where a trusted third party could enable permissioned, moment-in-time experiences, such as during a trip, allowing for discreet, just-in-time offers without overwhelming consumers. Donald agrees that blunt location-based advertising has largely failed because people do not want it, and suggests the most natural adjacency for networks is what they already stand for: security, trust, and identity, including innovations like biometrics that may matter most in travel contexts.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

  • AI agents could reduce embedded finance complexity by automating integration points and cutting down implementation friction.
  • Payments rails are still shaped by legacy processes, and AI could help compress cycle times and modernize the flow.
  • Payment networks have a major advantage in global transaction pattern data, especially for travel and loyalty use cases.
  • The most effective offers will be permissioned and contextual, not always-on or intrusive.
  • Security and identity are the clearest expansion lanes for networks, including biometrics tied to travel experiences.

Meet the Guests

Alex Sion
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Financial Services Vertical Lead

Alex Sion is a pioneering leader in financial services transformation with over two decades of experience across industry giants and fintech innovation. As Financial Services Vertical Leader at Blend, he drives end-to-end AI-driven solutions for the industry. Previously, as digital strategy executive at JP Morgan Chase and innovation leader at Citi Ventures, he championed mobile-first banking solutions. Alex also co-founded Moven, one of the first Neo-Banks, and at Motive Partners, orchestrated strategic partnerships to advance data and AI innovations across the financial services landscape.

Donald Chestnut
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User Experience Innovator

Donald Chesnut is a leading voice in customer experience strategy with over two decades of shaping digital and physical experiences in both financial services and automotive sectors. As Chief Experience Officer at Mastercard and later General Motors, he championed enterprise-wide customer-centric design, embedding user experience principles into every layer of the business.

Rob Lee
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Corporate Innovation & Payments, Venture Expert

Rob Lee is a fintech and payments leader who drove innovation at FIS, leading 100+ strategic investments and helping launch a cloud-native core banking platform. A former startup founder and fintech investor, he now advises Blend360 on using GenAI for customer-centric outcomes. In this episode, he shares his “mountains vs. fields” framework and why speed matters more than resources in AI transformation.

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